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>> food stamps are not expected to be contributing to our long-term death of deficit. neil: the amount of money that we are committing, and the top that we are talking about, you're right about the improvement and things will snap back into place when the economy and the recovery snaps back into place. but right now it is untenable. >> in terms of relaxing standards, some of this is -- for example, someone wwill have toualify for work in order to get this. that seems like a good policy to me. >> i agree with that, but there's a lot of pride fraud in the program and that is indisputable. and the people on both sides have their own opinions. let me finish. you will from both sides want to help the poor out. everyone wants to help the poor out. help them, give them a job. the problem is there is abuse of the system that is being underreported and understated by the democrats who are basically saying that it's nonexistent. i totally disagree with that. >> the studies say that the fraud rate is very low. >> it is misreported. >> it's not just for families. >> yes, it is. th
>> food stamps are not expected to be contributing to our long-term death of deficit. neil: the amount of money that we are committing, and the top that we are talking about, you're right about the improvement and things will snap back into place when the economy and the recovery snaps back into place. but right now it is untenable. >> in terms of relaxing standards, some of this is -- for example, someone wwill have toualify for work in order to get this. that seems like a good...
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i would put the emphasis down to get the trade deficit close closer to balance. liz: you think the weaker dollar is better. exports looked not certainly so bad. exports were up. people are buying our good overseas. >> well, it was some improvement but we actually revised down the previous numbers, previous month ace numbers. so it wasn't much of an improvement. we have a ways to go. we have a deficit of 500 billion. maybe we're moving in the right direction but if so, very slowly. we have to pick up that pace. liz: precursor to the government's jobs number report, adp, came out yesterday. look better than expected, 218,000 jobs created what are you expecting from the labor department tomorrow? >> i will be a pessimist, 141, 50. last month was strong numbers. strong growth in retail employment. very strong growth, manufacturing construction. i think latter two were a mom lace. the -- anomalies. think people are doing earlier than normal hiring, christmas hiring. a lot of hiring that would normally take place in november took place in october. i think i ace weak st
i would put the emphasis down to get the trade deficit close closer to balance. liz: you think the weaker dollar is better. exports looked not certainly so bad. exports were up. people are buying our good overseas. >> well, it was some improvement but we actually revised down the previous numbers, previous month ace numbers. so it wasn't much of an improvement. we have a ways to go. we have a deficit of 500 billion. maybe we're moving in the right direction but if so, very slowly. we have...
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liz: the trade deficit narrowing as exports hit a record high. picking up in global demand that could help boost american growth in the fourth quarter. david: and falling of the fda revealed the company recalling 1400 robotic surgery systems because of concerns the devices could stall and that was bad news for the stock. "after the bell" starts right now. liz: i could say this was massive action but if you're just tuning in and look these numbers are not that great, we were way lower but also way higher. let's break down the market action. portfolio manager who doesn't expect to taper anytime soon despite the strong adp report. what it means for your investment and todd horvitz. what interesting market behavior today, as we went into the 3:00 p.m. eastern show we had crossed the flatlined, so tough to find direction. >> it was like a big soap opera today. they laughed, they cried, they took them down, they took them up. closed around the flatlined. the market is very volatile, everybodeverybody's pointing toy jobs number. all the other news, real
liz: the trade deficit narrowing as exports hit a record high. picking up in global demand that could help boost american growth in the fourth quarter. david: and falling of the fda revealed the company recalling 1400 robotic surgery systems because of concerns the devices could stall and that was bad news for the stock. "after the bell" starts right now. liz: i could say this was massive action but if you're just tuning in and look these numbers are not that great, we were way lower...
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has been borrowing money and using deficit financing for years. this is not a bankruptcy like jefferson county, alabama which is a single transaction. this is a city that is structurally solvent meaning it spends more than has coming in and accumulated debt that it can't pay back. connell: this portion of it jeff was referencing, refused to go farther than people thought with regard to pensioners. they get no more favorable standing than other creditors do. jeff says that could have implications for other places. >> it could have implications but those places have to be in bankruptcy. at this point you have two dozen states where state court rulings or constitutions protect pensions, not only what you already earned but anything you might turn going forward which is far greater protection than anyone has in the private sector.% so you still have to be in bankruptcy for this to apply and right now we don't have a lot of cities tumbling into bankruptcy. dagen: will it encourage them and push municipalities toward this? >> it is a very interesting su
has been borrowing money and using deficit financing for years. this is not a bankruptcy like jefferson county, alabama which is a single transaction. this is a city that is structurally solvent meaning it spends more than has coming in and accumulated debt that it can't pay back. connell: this portion of it jeff was referencing, refused to go farther than people thought with regard to pensioners. they get no more favorable standing than other creditors do. jeff says that could have...
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it doesn't have a lot of opposition, wouldn't add a dime to the deficit and congress should waste no time in enacting get. ashley: the problem is congress is embroiled in these budget battles that get pushed back two or three month. could this get lost in the shuffle as they deal with a bigger budget? >> we are hopeful that because this has such strong public support it has bipartisan support which is increasingly rare these days. we are hopeful that congress will take it up but it could get lost in the shuffle. ashley: this is a huge hit economy, any numbers over the last year 700,000 yorker's saved $330 million for this benefit. if they lose, that is money taken out of people's pockets and that has to hurt the economy. >> exactly right. this benefit is also good for businesses. people take transit to work save their employers through this tax benefit $300 million in 2010 alone. and letting just the transit portion of this benefit be cut in half, creates an unlevel playing field. if you are a business where a large number of your employees takes public transit to work you are at a d
it doesn't have a lot of opposition, wouldn't add a dime to the deficit and congress should waste no time in enacting get. ashley: the problem is congress is embroiled in these budget battles that get pushed back two or three month. could this get lost in the shuffle as they deal with a bigger budget? >> we are hopeful that because this has such strong public support it has bipartisan support which is increasingly rare these days. we are hopeful that congress will take it up but it could...